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Writers on Writers: Ali Liebegott and Daniel Handler hit the IHOP
Daniel Handler | Photo: Ramin Rahimian | May 31, 2013
Handler and Liebegott on Funny Face Pancakes and writing in San Francisco.
We nearly drive right by the place because they’ve changed the sign. “It’s been almost 20 years,” Ali Liebegott tells me. “I haven’t been to this IHOP since I had a PMS tantrum and a jerky boss, and I threw my apron off and walked out. I’m having body memories. Can you believe this place has its own parking lot? Prime San Francisco real estate, and it’s an IHOP.”
There is, indeed, an International House of Pancakes in food-fetishizing, chain restaurant–resistant San Francisco, right on Lombard and Pierce streets. In many ways, Ali Liebegott is equally improbable. A poet and novelist, she writes books as difficult to describe as they are easy to love. The rare times that I see her work discussed or reviewed, it’s labeled as brave gay literature. Indeed, she frequently tours with Sister Spit, a revolving cast of queer performers who put on brash, loopy shows that are a hoot and a half.
But Liebegott’s work is gentler than that. Even at its most biting or hilarious, her work is amiable, approachable, and endlessly human. She notices things. She has respect and admiration for everyone—as long as they don’t annoy the hell out of her. In Liebegott’s hands, some of the most prickly and possibly cringe-worthy topics—addiction, depression, feeding ducks after 9/11—become endlessly readable. Cha-Ching!, her latest novel, is one of those books that cause you to look up, blinking, realizing that you’ve read 75 pages and your coffee is cold. It’s a rush of offtrack betting, impulsive road trips, liquor-fueled make-out sessions, and the sort of low-end jobs that are invisible in most fiction but everywhere in Liebegott’s work.
One of her earlier books is The IHOP Papers, which explains why we’re sitting at her former place of employment, in a booth less sticky than I thought it would be. “I moved here,” she remembers, “and was living with some people in Pacific Heights. I walked up and down the street putting in job applications at every business, and IHOP was the only job I could get. I started out as a hostess and then took a promotion, against my will, to waitress. I got an apartment on Geary and Larkin, $395 a month. This was 1992—people were dropping dead from AIDS. All of the men who worked with me here then are dead, practically. I bought a word processor at a place on Van Ness, like a portable typewriter except that you could put floppy disks in it, and I would go to the bank and deposit all my tips, even the change, so I couldn’t spend anything, saving, like, $2 for cigarettes, and I’d go home and smoke and write poems that turned into a novel.”
She pauses and peruses the menu. “I want the Funny Face Pancake, but you’re not supposed to be able to get them if you’re over 12. I’m going to tell the guy that I used to work here. That will help, right?” Then she looks up. “You see that?” I look, and don’t see anything. “That part of the wall, above the syrup thing. It’s the color I tried to describe in The IHOP Papers. I tried and tried. It’s almost like a burnt color, amber some thing, but I didn’t want to use ‘burnt’ in an IHOP. Terracotta would be perfect, except it’s not pretty at all.”
We eat our pancakes, hers with a smiley face made out of whipped cream, mine a more conservative choice, supposedly Swedish with lingonberries. It’s 2:30 in the afternoon. She tells me how boring it is to transcribe all the interviews with female poets that she did a couple of years ago on a cross-country railway tour for a book that she’s working on—slowly.
“Have you seen Emily Dickinson’s house? You would freak. The sister-in-law’s place? The wallpaper?”
Liebegott’s obsessed with Emily Dickinson.
“I’m not! I wouldn’ t call it obsessed.”
She has a portrait of Emily Dickinson tattooed on her body.
“I have my mother’s name tattooed on my body, too. Does that mean I’m obsessed with my mother?”
That’s not for me to say.
“I’m trying to get all the Dickinson stuff in the book, but I don’t know what I’m doing. I took a time management class for writers, somewhere downtown, $50. I had to keep a time diary and write down what I did every 15 minutes. At the end of the week, I realized that the majority of my time had been spent trying to train this feral street dog I rescued from Mexico.”
There’s no time for a time diary, so instead we decide to try a writing exercise: a review of IHOP for this magazine. “Tell me what they said about Flour & Water.” “On any given evening,” I read from an old copy of San Francisco I’ve brought along, “lines spill around the corner like so much tagliatelle.”
“I got it, I got it,” she says. “Two blocks farther down than you might think, follow the trail of lost blood pressure prescription bottles and go inside. If you pull strings as a waitress emeritus, they’ll bring you the Funny Face. Your dining partner’s Swedish crepes are really good. The lingonberries! A good last sentence, with an exclamation point. Do you want to add anything?”
I look around, blinking and happy, as I did when I finished reading Cha- Ching! The walls of IHOP are a color that is indeed difficult to describe. I think, no, I don’t want to add anything. I wouldn’t add a thing to this.
Daniel Handler is the author of four novels, most recently the Printz Honor–winning Why We Broke Up, as well as far too many books written under the pseudonym Lemony Snicket, including this October’s When Did You See Her Last? from Little, Brown.
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